Green smoothies not keeping me full

[Carrie Stoica]

I'm noticing that when I have my green smoothies that I'm hungry about an hour later. Somedays I'm fine for hours but other days it just doesn't cut it.  I have 2 a day and my husband is always teasing me about grazing because an hour later I'm in the kitchen looking around for something else. 

Is there something a little heartier that I could put in to keep me full? I do spinach, kale, coconut water chia seeds sometimes and apples. The apples usually work but they don't all the time even if I put in a lot. I'm a little worried about calories too because I'm in England and I like to walk everywhere I go but its raining a lot and a lot of times its cold. So I don't want all of those calories and sugar that I don't burn off as much as if it were hot.  

I got coconut oil today, would that help? 

[Wendy Geesey]

Oh wow!! That's great to know too- thanks for sharing! :)  Did probiotics take it away even after you had it? Is it gone now? I hope! Thanks Carrie- (((HUGS)))   :)

[Carrie Stoica]

It didn't take it away but it started helping a lot.  I thought it would just start working right away and I 'd be OK in a month but its just been in the last year that I feel better and don't take anything. Flora takes a really long time to rebuild so its best to keep it as high as possible all the time.

Its pretty much gone now, but I have flare ups once in a while if I get really stressed out. It just happened about a week ago but it seems to be a lot better now, that will teach me to store stress lol.

Thank you for your concern and asking about it.  Your diabetes is gone now? That is so exciting! My dad got off insulin completely after he went vegan 25 years ago, the doctor couldn't believe it. Food is so powerful!

(((((HUGS)))))  : )

[Wendy Geesey]

I love learning as much as I can so I can help others :)  I'm glad you are feeling better- stress is very hard on the body. I don't think we can avoid it completely though. And that is awesome about your dad! yay! I totally agree- food is so powerful, either for good or for bad. I was just barely pre-diabetic when I took my sugar, but I had already been on the diet 2 weeks- darnit, wished I had thought to take it BEFORE I started. And 6 weeks later I was just barely into the normal range- but I thought that was a pretty dramatic shift for just 6 weeks time!

Have a great week Carrie- cheers! (clinking green smoothie glasses ;)

[Carrie Stoica]

I'm glad you caught it early and adjusted your diet. Its a huge shift in just 6 weeks, I've always amazed at stories like yours. Its been great talking to you!!

 Let me know how your week goes :) I hope you have a great one!!

[Alessandra]

I really have a problem with that logic.  Animal fat and vegetable fat are two very different things, and our bodies need fats. Sugars from carbs can turn to fat just as easily if not more easily than fat.  And fat does not necessarily turn to fat...especially on a raw vegan diet.  I personally do not get or agree with the whole 80/10/10 concept.   There was the Pritikin diet that cut the fat way back, and it was later realized that that was not a healthy diet as we do need to have some fat in our diets.  I view the 80/10/10 concept as something on that end of the pendulum.  It is best to be more in the middle, paying attention to your own individual needs.  Could be that 80/10/10 works great for some....but how many people are doing well on it in the long run?    I can see it being a good therapeutic diet, but not a good long term diet.   I think moderation is the key.  Moderate sweets/carbs and moderate fats with lots of greens and veggies.

Wendy Geesey said:

Fat is loaded with calories and is not an optimal fuel source for the body- not as nutritious as fruit either, which is the best fuel source for both body and brain. I'm an 811'er tho- so I'm not big on fat at all! Fat turns to fat- sugar is burned much easier. I suggest you either put bananas and/or dates in your smoothie or eat a few before you drink one. Dr. Graham wrote the book, The 80-10-10 Diet if you wanna read more on 811. If you aren't getting enough carbs your body is going to signal your brain that you're hungry. The difference in days could be glycogen storage- if you have enough you might not be as hungry, if you don't- you will be.

[Wendy Geesey]

Well I totally respect what you believe- that's fine. In my opinion, however, we are all pretty much designed the same way- just as all dogs' guts and internal workings are pretty much the same and birds the same, etc. The premise is- if you took away all industry and had to live by foraging from natural resources (as many believe was the original intent) what would we eat? We do not actually need as much fat or protein as most people believe. I think that Dr. Graham has come to his opinion based much on the work of Dr. Campbell's research which is found in The China Study. A natural hygiene diet makes perfect sense to me- it is very easily digested for one thing. Many people who have been on this diet long term are doing fabulous- I dare say all are, but I do not know everyone who has done this long term. It is quite the adjustment in all aspects- to me very challenging, but only b/c I've lived 49 years the SAD way.

The body will take the path of least resistance- so turning fruit to glucose is its first choice. Yes, of course, it can also burn fat or protein for fuel, but that is not its first option b/c the process is more laborious- which is enervating and tiresome.

I cannot defend it to every detail at this point- I'm still studying myself. But I do know that I was pre-diabetic on a regular raw food diet- NO, more accurately, the regular (eating anything raw you want) raw food diet actually put me on the fast track to diabetes! And in 6 weeks I totally reversed it on 811- miraculous in my opinion- made a believer out of me!

Alessandra said:

I really have a problem with that logic.  Animal fat and vegetable fat are two very different things, and our bodies need fats. Sugars from carbs can turn to fat just as easily if not more easily than fat.  And fat does not necessarily turn to fat...especially on a raw vegan diet.  I personally do not get or agree with the whole 80/10/10 concept.   There was what, the Pritikin diet that cut the fat way back, and it was later realized that that was not a healthy diet as we do need to have some fat in our diets.  I view the 80/10/10 concept as something on that end of the pendulum.  It is best to be more in the middle, paying attention to your own individual needs.  Could be that 80/10/10 works great for some....but how many people are doing well on it in the long run?    I just think the logic is a bit faulty.

Wendy Geesey said:

Fat is loaded with calories and is not an optimal fuel source for the body- not as nutritious as fruit either, which is the best fuel source for both body and brain. I'm an 811'er tho- so I'm not big on fat at all! Fat turns to fat- sugar is burned much easier. I suggest you either put bananas and/or dates in your smoothie or eat a few before you drink one. Dr. Graham wrote the book, The 80-10-10 Diet if you wanna read more on 811. If you aren't getting enough carbs your body is going to signal your brain that you're hungry. The difference in days could be glycogen storage- if you have enough you might not be as hungry, if you don't- you will be.

[Wendy Geesey]

Well I can tell you the weekend didn't go very well, lol- so my week can only be an improvement, right? haha

Same to you- have a great week! :)

Carrie Stoica said:

I'm glad you caught it early and adjusted your diet. Its a huge shift in just 6 weeks, I've always amazed at stories like yours. Its been great talking to you!!

 Let me know how your week goes :) I hope you have a great one!!

[Alessandra]

I would agree with too much fat of any kind not being good, however,  the 80/10/10 program seems to me to make it so a person should be afraid to eat an avocado or any food that has fat.   Unless it's a mango or broccoli.  And you could eat 10 grams of fat from refined vegetable oil or 10 grams of fat from avocado and some raw nuts....and there would be a world of difference in the quality of the nutrition gained from them.   All fat is not created equally.  I just find 80/10/10 to be a little too restricting as there are important nutrients found in foods with a higher fat content that our bodies need and that we don't easily get from other sources.  I think it can be a great therapeutic diet, and good for those whose bodies store fat easily, but I don't think it's for everyone (like most things are not....we are all different).

But we can agree to disagree as I know you only wish the best for everyone, so I hope you don't mind me challenging you a bit on this....I, like you, care passionately about people and their health and believe we can do amazing things just by eating in a good way.  So....I'm done....peace out. : )

Wendy Geesey said:

Hi Alessandra- I'm assuming you are talking to me about the fat? b/c Carrie said she doesn't want sugar/excess calories. I'm not "afraid" of fat, but when fat is high in the diet it really doesn't matter where it comes from- it clogs the system and coats the cells. Sure, if you're eating a lot of fried food you're going to get sicker faster, but a high fat diet- NO MATTER WHAT THE SOURCE, is going to cause illness/disease.

And this is true about the sensation in the stomach, but I hadn't heard the cleansing theory before. What I read is that it's the stomach muscles contracting as the stomach empties- and just b/c the stomach is empty doesn't mean we should put something in it, lol :) A carb deprived brain can signal hunger too as can nutrient depravity. Are you getting enough Vit. D, B12 and iodine? A lot of raw food people use Himalayan or Celtic Sea salt that does not contain iodine... and since I don't add salt to my diet at all I crave it if I don't take kelp tablets! since my body was used to getting iodine from a salt source.

Carrie- you should actually be more concerned about fat in your diet as opposed to fruit sugar b/c fat is a concentrated source of calories! 1 tablespoon of fat is about 120 calories.... so is a LARGE banana! which one is going to fill you  up more?! and which one is going to provide you with more nutrition, hydration, fiber?!!!

[Wendy Geesey]

Hi Alessandra-

No, I don't mind a bit! Challenging/ debating can be a good thing :) I also agree that there are healthier fats than others- heated refined fats being the worst! While an abundance of any kind of fat seems to have the same cellular clogging properties (or so I am reading/learning).

I also agree that 811 is very restrictive... but only in light of what we have available and what is social accepted as "food" and normal consumption. It is actually a diet of abundance as there is no restrictions on (low fat) fruits and leafy greens. The limitations  are those things that are not healthy... and the "restrictions" are usually those things we find difficult to "give up" or let go of.

I disagree that everyone is different in the sense that our inner workings are all created the same. We have the same parts that function the same way. I also believe that a diet that is healthy for humans is healthy for all humans, as the diet that is healthy for apes is healthy for them, and for dogs is healthy for them, etc. I do, however, agree that b/c of the way we have taken care of ourselves (or NOT) that some of those functions have ceased to function properly- this is where I believe we are all different. I also believe we are different in our perceptions, environment, addictions, habits and so forth. There are also many other factors in living beings that influence health besides just the food we eat- so food in itself is not the whole picture. So if the 811 diet causes someone to totally stress out, well, this is not good- stress can be more of a contributing factor than the actual food itself to the health of the body and mind.

I think we all know people that have totally abused their bodies and have lived long (but probably not healthy) lives. My husband's mother is one such example- 94 years old and just now starting to experience health problems! She never ate healthy a day in her life and has a totally SOUR disposition (we think it's her mission in life to make everyone miserable!! lol). My grandfather was the same way and drank every day for the last 60 years of his life- well into his 80's!! Sometimes I wonder why I eat this way at all!! hahaha Ah, but I must, b/c I seriously believe it's the way we were intended to eat. God did not create industry before he created man so we could eat processed food... and most things that are fatty (not all, I know) are a pain in the butt to get into to eat, which would limit how much fat intake one would get by gathering...

And once again, I believe Dr. Graham comes to his conclusions based on the most extensive study on nutrition ever performed- The China Study- which is the next book on my reading list.

Friends in nutrition and health! <3  :)

Alessandra said:

I would agree with too much fat of any kind not being good, however,  the 80/10/10 program seems to me to make it so a person should be afraid to eat an avocado or any food that has fat.   Unless it's a mango or broccoli.  And you could eat 10 grams of fat from refined vegetable oil or 10 grams of fat from avocado and some raw nuts....and there would be a world of difference in the quality of the nutrition gained from them.   All fat is not created equally.  I just find 80/10/10 to be a little too restricting as there are important nutrients found in foods with a higher fat content that our bodies need and that we don't easily get from other sources.  I think it can be a great therapeutic diet, and good for those whose bodies store fat easily, but I don't think it's for everyone (like most things are not....we are all different).

But we can agree to disagree as I know you only wish the best for everyone, so I hope you don't mind me challenging you a bit on this....I, like you, care passionately about people and their health and believe we can do amazing things just by eating in a good way.  So....I'm done....peace out. : )

Wendy Geesey said:

Hi Alessandra- I'm assuming you are talking to me about the fat? b/c Carrie said she doesn't want sugar/excess calories. I'm not "afraid" of fat, but when fat is high in the diet it really doesn't matter where it comes from- it clogs the system and coats the cells. Sure, if you're eating a lot of fried food you're going to get sicker faster, but a high fat diet- NO MATTER WHAT THE SOURCE, is going to cause illness/disease.

And this is true about the sensation in the stomach, but I hadn't heard the cleansing theory before. What I read is that it's the stomach muscles contracting as the stomach empties- and just b/c the stomach is empty doesn't mean we should put something in it, lol :) A carb deprived brain can signal hunger too as can nutrient depravity. Are you getting enough Vit. D, B12 and iodine? A lot of raw food people use Himalayan or Celtic Sea salt that does not contain iodine... and since I don't add salt to my diet at all I crave it if I don't take kelp tablets! since my body was used to getting iodine from a salt source.

Carrie- you should actually be more concerned about fat in your diet as opposed to fruit sugar b/c fat is a concentrated source of calories! 1 tablespoon of fat is about 120 calories.... so is a LARGE banana! which one is going to fill you  up more?! and which one is going to provide you with more nutrition, hydration, fiber?!!!

[Susan : )]

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Green For Life
Green Smoothie Revolution: The Radical Leap Toward Natural Health**

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[Penni]

I know everyone here has a wonderful heart to be helpful!  And we are so blessed to have such a wonderful community of caring people!  Unfortunately, there can be confusion even within the raw food genre of eating and I have found that the best way is to see how each individuals body responds to different approaches.  Although the 811 approach works beautifully for many people, it isn't a magic bullet for everyone.  I absolutely think it is more optimal to a high fat diet.  I also think Dr. Robert Morse is excellent and he advocates a diet that is a bit similar to Dr Graham's approach. 

I just wanted to chime in and say that I really appreciate everyone sharing their personal experiences, successes and questions in a diplomatic and supportive way!

[Carrie Stoica]

I think I may have figured it out! I had a mango,strawberry,apple spinach,kale, chia seed and cucumber smoothie. I was full for a few hours, and I went a few more hours not eating because I had to. So we'll see tomorrow if it works again.